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	<title>Comments on: Voting In Australia</title>
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		<title>By: Geoff Oliphant</title>
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		<description>Hey Jeremy, I&#039;ve been very envious of your travels - it sounds like you&#039;re having a great time.

I just wanted to make a comment on your Voting in Australia post. I&#039;ve lived (and voted) in Australia so I know first hand what it&#039;s like.

I&#039;m not sure that 80% voter turnout can be attributed solely to compulsory voting. I&#039;ve found Aussies to be very politically aware and thus I think that it probably only about 10% would be influenced this way. But your point about which 10% is influenced is a valid one. Is a Big Brother-ish threat (and it is a threat - sometimes hollow as I&#039;m not sure what the statistics are on prosecutions for those that don&#039;t vote without a valid excuse) going to make the change in the US voting system? I would see the people coming out of the woodwork to protest at being able to not vote is as much a right as being able to vote.

Maybe the US needs a couple of elections where their votes don&#039;t count or a portion of them (ie. all women) aren&#039;t allowed to vote. This has certainly made voting in South Africa a life affirming exercise rather than a civic duty that is looked upon as a chore.  A couple of months ago I was in South Africa when they were holding the elections and everybody is so proud to be able to have a vote now - that queues start forming days ahead of time. It really is validating to see that enthusiasm. I even toured Robben Island (the prison where Nelson Mandela was held) and went past the election hall on voting day. It was a very surreal moment. I digress.

Back to Australia though. Preferential voting is a great idea - but really makes the voter work for their vote. There can sometimes be as many as 30-40 candidates in one riding. 

So you can vote one of two ways: 

The easiest is to put a 1 in the box for the candidate that you want and what happens is you get your candidates votes - apportioned as they see fit. Not all states allow this though.

Or you can enter a number for each and every candidate from 1 to 30. If you miss a number then your vote may be considered invalid.

It can be a lot of work for your 1 vote. Helpfully, if you have a candidate/party that you trust (?), each candidate/party hand out &quot;how to vote&quot; cards which lists their preferences and you just have to copy it.

I&#039;ve found that what ends up happening isn&#039;t necessarily that the big parties start to pander to the lesser parties - but the lesser parties just choose the least stinking of the bigger parties. 

I think the system has its merits and it would be interesting to see what would happen in the states under this system.

Take care, Geoff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jeremy, I&#8217;ve been very envious of your travels &#8211; it sounds like you&#8217;re having a great time.</p>
<p>I just wanted to make a comment on your Voting in Australia post. I&#8217;ve lived (and voted) in Australia so I know first hand what it&#8217;s like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that 80% voter turnout can be attributed solely to compulsory voting. I&#8217;ve found Aussies to be very politically aware and thus I think that it probably only about 10% would be influenced this way. But your point about which 10% is influenced is a valid one. Is a Big Brother-ish threat (and it is a threat &#8211; sometimes hollow as I&#8217;m not sure what the statistics are on prosecutions for those that don&#8217;t vote without a valid excuse) going to make the change in the US voting system? I would see the people coming out of the woodwork to protest at being able to not vote is as much a right as being able to vote.</p>
<p>Maybe the US needs a couple of elections where their votes don&#8217;t count or a portion of them (ie. all women) aren&#8217;t allowed to vote. This has certainly made voting in South Africa a life affirming exercise rather than a civic duty that is looked upon as a chore.  A couple of months ago I was in South Africa when they were holding the elections and everybody is so proud to be able to have a vote now &#8211; that queues start forming days ahead of time. It really is validating to see that enthusiasm. I even toured Robben Island (the prison where Nelson Mandela was held) and went past the election hall on voting day. It was a very surreal moment. I digress.</p>
<p>Back to Australia though. Preferential voting is a great idea &#8211; but really makes the voter work for their vote. There can sometimes be as many as 30-40 candidates in one riding. </p>
<p>So you can vote one of two ways: </p>
<p>The easiest is to put a 1 in the box for the candidate that you want and what happens is you get your candidates votes &#8211; apportioned as they see fit. Not all states allow this though.</p>
<p>Or you can enter a number for each and every candidate from 1 to 30. If you miss a number then your vote may be considered invalid.</p>
<p>It can be a lot of work for your 1 vote. Helpfully, if you have a candidate/party that you trust (?), each candidate/party hand out &#8220;how to vote&#8221; cards which lists their preferences and you just have to copy it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that what ends up happening isn&#8217;t necessarily that the big parties start to pander to the lesser parties &#8211; but the lesser parties just choose the least stinking of the bigger parties. </p>
<p>I think the system has its merits and it would be interesting to see what would happen in the states under this system.</p>
<p>Take care, Geoff</p>
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